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1 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 7:57:45am

Skewed pollzzzzzs!!!!!

2 rosiee  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:00:12am

Do you blame them for being hostile? He didn’t visit till his second term. Bowed to the saudi monarch before, and sent Netanyahu packing. Now he went did a nice speech and of course their opinions will shift, they just wanted recognition.

3 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:00:58am

re: #2 rosiee

Do you blame them for being hostile? He didn’t visit till his second term. Bowed to the saudi monarch before, and sent Netanyahu packing.

Reagan NEVER VISITED ISRAEL AT ALL and sold AWACS to Saudis.

4 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:01:48am

Might add that Obama visited Israel in 2008, before he was elected President.

5 rosiee  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:18:36am

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Reagan also didn’t support a Palestinian state.

6 blueraven  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:32:04am

re: #2 rosiee

Do you blame them for being hostile? He didn’t visit till his second term. Bowed to the saudi monarch before, and sent Netanyahu packing. Now he went did a nice speech and of course their opinions will shift, they just wanted recognition.

George W Bush didn’t visit Israel until the last year of his second term and he supported a two state solution. He was also good friends with the “saudi monarch”.

7 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:45:30am

re: #6 blueraven

George W Bush didn’t visit Israel until the last year of his second term and he supported a two state solution. He was also good friends with the “saudi monarch”.

re: #2 rosiee

rosiee, I don’t get in the age of Google people like you say stuff like that about Obama without checking to see if politicians you support and was on “their side” of the issue as you did or did not do the same thing.

Is it an old pre internet using person thing to not Google? Do they forget?

8 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:54:26am

re: #2 rosiee

Bush didn’t visit until the end of his second term. Clinton visited multiple times. George Bush Sr didn’t visit. Reagan didn’t visit. Carter visited once. Ford didn’t visit. Nixon visited in his second term. LBJ and JFK didn’t visit. Eisenhower didn’t visit. Truman didn’t visit.

What exactly is your point about when or if a given president visited?

The vitriol pointed Obama’s way because he didn’t visit until his second term was always overstated. The claims that he was anti-Israel were always overblown, especially considering that Obama never crammed settlement-stopping on to the Israelis in exchange for talks or military cooperation/gear, while Obama provided technical assistance for expediting Iron Dome deployment and expanded Patriot systems.

Reagan cut deals with the Iranians for arms and hostages, and never truly went after Hizbullah despite Hizbullah killing hundreds of Marines in 1983 and murdering US consular staff in 1984 in Lebanon. GHWB made settlement concessions a key part of getting the parties to the table in Madrid talks. Withholding loan guarantees for Israel were a big issue for Reagan, Bush, and Clinton (especially in first term).

Obama’s positions are little different from those of GWB - not forcing the parties to talks, but holding to general policy that there should be a 2-state solution negotiated between the parties.

You’re simply wrong.

9 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:59:05am

re: #8 lawhawk

What I don’t get is do they think all presidents visit Israel every year? Or did the right wing noise machine just put that out there and the unthinking and not googling for facts base just assume visiting Israel is what their Republican presidents always did but Democrats don’t do?

10 rosiee  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:13:28am

lol I’m wrong I just said why Israeli’s frowned on him.
He came into office with some heavy anti-Israeli baggage.
Your examples didn’t run down JSTREET.

11 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:14:58am

re: #10 rosiee

lol I’m wrong I just said why Israeli’s frowned on him.
He came into office with some heavy anti-Israeli baggage.
Your examples didn’t run down JSTREET.

You are wrong again!

If he had such heavy “anti-Israel baggage” why did MJ Rosenberg have such a meltdown over Obama BEING IN TEH CLUTCHEZ OF TEH ZIONISTS!11!!!

12 rosiee  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:16:58am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

Cause MJ is a reptilian too and is throwin g you off, disinfo duh.

13 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:17:53am

re: #12 rosiee

Cause MJ is a reptilian too and is throwin g you off, disinfo duh.

Pam Geller on crystal meth.

14 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:20:54am

re: #12 rosiee

Obama ran against the fighting of the Iraq war. Neocons and Bibi supported the Iraq war and Bibi testified in congress for fighting the Iraq war when he was a former PM. So I feel hostility to Obama in Lukid circles has something to do with Obama’s anti-Iraq war position and his willingness to negotiate with Iran without some sort of pre-conditions that everyone knows Iran would never agree to (and thus no negotiations are possible - again this is the neocon and Bibi-Likud position). So all hostility to Obama from the Israeli Bibi types stems from that.

15 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 10:16:42am

re: #9 Destro

What I don’t get is do they think all presidents visit Israel every year? Or did the right wing noise machine just put that out there and the unthinking and not googling for facts base just assume visiting Israel is what their Republican presidents always did but Democrats don’t do?

It’s a combination of right wing noise and people just not knowing anything about history or the Arab-Israeli conflict (most folks don’t really spend time researching the issues, and just scan headlines). Israel takes up a significant amount of time in media coverage, so any kind of presidential action on Israel gets a lot of coverage. The GOP kept on claiming that Obama hasn’t visited Israel, so it reinforced a notion that he wasn’t friendly (particularly when combined with a mischaracterization of Obama’s positions on Israel - like in the Cairo speech, or in statements on Jerusalem or settlements, etc.). But, when Obama did travel to Israel and the supposed animus with Bibi wasn’t there, the GOP and right wing noise machine had to find something else to complain about - their claims simply rang hollow.

16 rosiee  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 10:23:42am

re: #15 lawhawk

unlikely, Israelis tend to support Democratic presidents, Clinton and his wife are beloved over there. The whole Evangelical thing creeps them out. Their mistrust of Obama wasn’t because of Republican agitprop.

17 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 11:02:55am

re: #16 rosiee

The whole Evangelical thing creeps them out. Their mistrust of

That’s funny, I have met several Israelis who were not “creeped out” by the money and support they get from evangelicals.

Of course, we are both speaking anecdotally. The difference between us is that I make that clear.

18 freetoken  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 2:56:13pm

re: #10 rosiee

He came into office with some heavy anti-Israeli baggage.

Really?

And even if your accusation is true (and I don’t think it is), so what?

19 rosiee  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 4:49:37pm

re: #18 freetoken

Ali Abunimah speaks

Over the years since I first saw Obama speak I met him about half a dozen times, often at Palestinian and Arab-American community events in Chicago including a May 1998 community fundraiser at which Edward Said was the keynote speaker. In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others Obama was forthright in his criticism of US policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

The last time I spoke to Obama was in the winter of 2004 at a gathering in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood. He was in the midst of a primary campaign to secure the Democratic nomination for the United States Senate seat he now occupies. But at that time polls showed him trailing.

As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, “Hey, I’m sorry I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I’m hoping when things calm down I can be more up front.” He referred to my activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy, “Keep up the good work!”

20 Buck  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:18:19pm

I am of two minds. Obama did seem to piss off a good number of the Palestinian leadership, so I can’t be too mad.

However seeing Obama making a speech under a huge picture honoring the father of modern terrorism, and the man responsible for the deaths of many Jews and Americans (and quite a few muslims) shocked and hurt me.

Watching the great majority of the media (and other Jews) ignore this also shocked me. I cannot even imagine how people can justify it.

I will not put a link here, as I mentioned it was almost completely ignored by the media that will not do anything to embarrass the President. It was at the Press conference in Ramallah on March 21st. Everyone saw it. I will post the picture here, as that does not lead to restricted sites. Anyone can search Google for the story.

If any leader of the GOP made a speech under a 12 ft picture/banner of an unrepentant killer of abortion doctors it would correctly be front page news.

“Groups under Arafat’s direct or indirect command – including Fatah, Black September, Tanzim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade – were responsible for hundreds of bombings, hijackings, assassinations and other attacks, including the 1972 murder of 11 of Israel’s Olympic athletes in Munich, the 1973 murder of the American ambassador to Sudan, Cleo Noel, and the 1985 hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruiseship (resulting in the murder of wheelchair-bound Leon Klinghoffer).” - CAMERA

Obama Speaks Under Arafat Banner Photo Credit: Newscom

21 palomino  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:48:04pm

re: #20 Buck

So what Obama said was only good because it pissed off Palestinians? And the main problem was the poster on the wall next to him when he spoke.

And you wonder why people think you’re a shallow, biased simpleton.

22 Flavia  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 11:07:42pm

It was all rhetoric & media perception. I have spent the couple years trying to explain to people exactly what was going on, &, finally, for once in my life, everyone else has caught up with me!

What happens when a politician speaks the truth about the Middle East? S/he’s immediately accused of being bought by the Jews/Zionists/AIPAC. Obama is NOT stupid, and kept all that to a minimum. I guarantee you that his public rhetoric was countered not just by his actions, but by secret phone calls to Bibi. I maintain that my theory is correct by the fact that the minute he got elected and didn’t have to worry about getting re-elected anymore, the first thing he did was go to Israel.


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